tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post2622512677194647997..comments2024-03-29T02:11:52.308+01:00Comments on EX-YU Aviation News: EXCLUSIVE Etihad launching Belgrade flightsEX-YU Aviationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13952283005857074627noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-63781317847395977972013-04-09T22:13:58.150+02:002013-04-09T22:13:58.150+02:00 ^ Because customer service of Jat is in the momen... ^ Because customer service of Jat is in the moment not the best -<br />of course this can change but it will take some time !<br /><br />Also Jat will not /should not use the new planes within Ex-Yu.<br />They will serve bigger European destinations like London,Paris or Moscow.<br /><br />Also as someone already mentioned Jat crew has first to train <br />on the Airbus as there is in the moment no experience with this type of plane.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-19479723612722588522013-04-09T19:10:27.917+02:002013-04-09T19:10:27.917+02:00All very good and interesting points. I agree with...All very good and interesting points. I agree with a lot but there are some things missing:<br /><br />1) Becoming a feeder for Etihad is not a bad thing. It makes Belgrade the local transit route for Balkan diaspora living in Asia/Oceania, which would bring lots of money to both the airport and JAT.<br /><br />2) Direct flights to New York, Chicago, and Toronto would be better than stopover flights, but obviously it would be 1-2 times per week not 4.<br /><br />3) The Ex-Yu network needs to be strengthened. More permanent flights to Croatia, Macedonia, Slovenia, and Bosnia are necessary and I'm sure people will fly to Belgrade to get to North America/AustraliaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-1031724855699737792013-04-09T19:08:23.705+02:002013-04-09T19:08:23.705+02:00Assuming Jat gets new aircraft why would you not w...Assuming Jat gets new aircraft why would you not want to fly with them to Abu Dhabi? But have no problem flying with them within Ex-YU?<br /><br />@ Purger, good analysis of the situation with Etihad.<br /><br />-- Charlie<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-63574587314197299552013-04-09T18:18:34.267+02:002013-04-09T18:18:34.267+02:00Hmm...Purger ,
now you think like a Serbian.
Firs...Hmm...Purger ,<br />now you think like a Serbian.<br /><br />First i think there is nothing wrong with feeding -<br />feeding LH is actually the only thing where OU is good in <br />and it is also the only profitable part of this airline!<br /><br />Second - Etihads daily nonstop to Belgrade even would make sense<br />if there will/would be not cooperation with Jat at all !<br />I would never want to fly this route with Jat - <br />but i could imagine flying Jat from Macedonia or the Croatian coast <br />to BEG to catch that flight of EY.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-49097558214814567982013-04-09T09:40:41.970+02:002013-04-09T09:40:41.970+02:00First of all CONGRATULATIONS to BEG for this colla...First of all CONGRATULATIONS to BEG for this collaboration and route!!!!<br /><br />This route is huge thing if it is beginning of deal between Jat and Etihad in which Belgrade will have any role exempt feeding Abu Dhabi. Because if that happens it is the same shit Croatia Airlines has with Lufthansa, exempt Croatia Airlines fly at least 8 flights per day to Germany and 10 flights per day to other LH and Star Alliance hubs (VIE, ZRH, BRU, CPH); but in this example Jat flies non, even Etihad operate on BEG-AUH route. And than it is just one more route which will just make other airlines from Middle East to reduce frequencies or stop flying to BEG.<br /><br />To materialized any deal good for Jat and Belgrade it has to:<br />1. put Jat to operate BEG-AUH route instead of Etihad and for that Etihad will have to help Jat to bring new planes<br />2. put Jat to operate BEG-TXL and BEG-DUS route to code-share in Air Berlin routes out of those two hubs<br />3. open at least two routes from BEG via TXL and DUS to North America (the best option for sure would be Chicago and New York with at least 4 flights per week) + connections with minimum transfer time to other North American destinations<br />4. totally reorganized time-table to have connections to TGD, SKP, TIV, SJJ at least twice per day, and OHR, SPU, DBV, PUY + some new routes (OMO, RJK, ZAD, ZAG, OTP, SOF, LJU) at least 8 times per week to have minimum possible connection flights (4 per week) to make those routes attractive enough for connections (you must understand that overnight is option for some of those but not for more than 50% of regional planes, and for sure not for those which in same time has to be P2P routes primarily used for tourists like RJK and ZAD, or business passengers like ZAG and LJU).<br />5. have more flights to destinations in Europe where Etihad does not fly for now to attract some connections via BEG, but in same time that means Jat will have huge job to<br />- rebuild image which is lowest in Europe now (who will like to fly via BEG with Jat to AUH, if there is possibility to do it via Berlin or Dusseldorf with Air Berlin/Etihad or via other hubs with some of mayor airliners)<br />- urgently bring some new planes to fly instead very old 737-300 and ATR 72-200 (few of those can be used for 2-3 more years to routes to SKP, TIV, TGD, SVO, AMS, BRU, LHR..., but for sure not to Western Europe where you plan to have any kind of code-share for Etihad)<br />- totally change of way of doing business in Jat with no more stealing of money, no more to many employees, no more politics in company, no more 5 hours working time per day, no more trips with pretty secretaries for days to London or New York<br /><br />If this materialized, and there is very good chance to do it this time (please, be claver this time and don't ruin this like you did so many deals in past), Jat will become good company in near future, and BEG biggest, or even only real, hub in exYU, and for sure will make ZAG provincial airport like SJJ, TGD or SKP.<br />Purgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-27843788725520038422013-04-09T05:34:54.629+02:002013-04-09T05:34:54.629+02:00The guy is giving a "best comment" to hi...The guy is giving a "best comment" to himself lol. Well, EY isn't advising JU to scale down its fleet and network but quite on the contrary. <br />That's the difference between a successful business "marriage" and pure rod-sucking a-la-OU.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-19718158071150170562013-04-09T04:10:45.709+02:002013-04-09T04:10:45.709+02:00Or you can fly star alliance and land in Zagreb, S...Or you can fly star alliance and land in Zagreb, Split, Dubrovnik, Pula, Zadar up to 5 times per day. <br /><br />So would you choose Belgrade and walk?Q400https://www.blogger.com/profile/09330385169689869567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-45074858336222104292013-04-09T02:33:49.016+02:002013-04-09T02:33:49.016+02:00Who cares about the f****ng EU anymore. EU didn...Who cares about the f****ng EU anymore. EU didn't save Spain, didn't save Greece, didn't save Cyprus or Ireland - why should it save Serbia (that didn't reach bankruptcy yet)?<br />Serbia should cooperate with other friendly countries, that do not ask from it to destroy its industry, military, culture, identity, relinquish territory in order to be invited at the table and the cooperation with Etihad is one of the best examples of such cooperation that could happen. Bravo for that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-46667826295844689292013-04-09T02:12:39.617+02:002013-04-09T02:12:39.617+02:00you can just get off in BEG if you livd east of za...you can just get off in BEG if you livd east of zagrrb or slavonski brod.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-72773755988742768282013-04-09T02:02:17.814+02:002013-04-09T02:02:17.814+02:00^ ***** comment above me , bravo.^ ***** comment above me , bravo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-48703641738086736312013-04-09T01:05:12.987+02:002013-04-09T01:05:12.987+02:00EU off - good thing if you ask me,
Visas - to wher...EU off - good thing if you ask me,<br />Visas - to where?<br />Passenger numbers - no down nor up so far,<br />EY deal - what it has to do with the EU crap anyway?<br />You just can't content your hatred cause this deal struck you right in the head. Relax, you'll be able to fly on Etihad too, first by JU's ATR from Croatia :D Cheers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-76879874690735878132013-04-08T23:21:31.476+02:002013-04-08T23:21:31.476+02:00We don't need to spoil your day, it's been...We don't need to spoil your day, it's been already spoiled by your politicians, who exactly today managed to do the following :<br />EU off, visas most probably coming, passenger numbers down, EY deal questionableAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-3808520841429533972013-04-08T21:34:38.740+02:002013-04-08T21:34:38.740+02:00That's exactly what Jat needsThat's exactly what Jat needsDootnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-13017202329982889822013-04-08T21:31:04.787+02:002013-04-08T21:31:04.787+02:00@JATBEGMEL
I didn't say that JU's timetab...@JATBEGMEL<br /><br />I didn't say that JU's timetable should stay the same. It also requires some tweaking, but I wanted to show the bigger picture. Jat for sure needs to go through huge and serious changes and that includes its timetable also so that destinations ex BEG could easily transfer onto EY's flights to AUH.JU500https://www.blogger.com/profile/01855136215721390300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-76002867271866009912013-04-08T21:20:42.124+02:002013-04-08T21:20:42.124+02:00Well, part of the deal was for Etihad to facilitat...Well, part of the deal was for Etihad to facilitate the fleet renewal process for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-28708315614088707292013-04-08T21:16:06.004+02:002013-04-08T21:16:06.004+02:00Or it is you who would like it to be that way?Or it is you who would like it to be that way?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-77800986849430210222013-04-08T21:02:37.383+02:002013-04-08T21:02:37.383+02:00I dont think that the OS codeshare will go. Actual...I dont think that the OS codeshare will go. Actually, if anyone has noticed, visit jat.com and check the list of destinations. GYD, AXD, ALG, KRR, MRS...all OS flights now available to be booked via jat.com.<br /><br />@ JU500<br /><br />Its one thing the bulk departures ex AUH, but for EY what is also to be looked at is ex BEG for them. If they are to codeshare ex BEG, I think your 'EY073' will only connect to AMS, BRU, DUS, VIE and FCO. 'EY071' wouldnt connect to anything. 'EY074' would only connect FCO, while 'EY072' would connect ZRH, TXL, VIE, TGD, MXP....<br /><br />Will JAT have a/c to cater to EY's desire ex BEG is another question, as the current fleet is unreliable. And will JAT need to do major adjustments to its timetable to cater to EY.JATBEGMELnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-20394061291259362013-04-08T20:41:52.029+02:002013-04-08T20:41:52.029+02:00TK has grown itself not only a reliable O&D ma...TK has grown itself not only a reliable O&D market in BEG, it also attracts a growing number of connecting pax not just for the Middle and Far East, but also to North America. I dont think the EY flights will have as much affect on TK as it will have on QR and FZ. JATBEGMELnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-51705259453884725682013-04-08T20:28:59.524+02:002013-04-08T20:28:59.524+02:00I would say Turkish, the op said it as well that t...I would say Turkish, the op said it as well that they'll suffer the most, the competition is just too much for them to maintain double daily, unless they're insane. By the way, what's the TK frequency for Budapest and Bucharest?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-56918189143716597712013-04-08T20:19:47.147+02:002013-04-08T20:19:47.147+02:00Then again there isn't much Air Berlin can off...Then again there isn't much Air Berlin can offer to Jat with the exception of its domestic market and north American flights. I doubt Jat would rely too much on Niki in Vienna. Maybe to a certain extent but nothing spectacular. Jat already has a decent market ex-Belgrade.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-67146186378374061302013-04-08T20:17:58.274+02:002013-04-08T20:17:58.274+02:00Старији пилоти неће бити отпуштени већ ће бити пре...Старији пилоти неће бити отпуштени већ ће бити премештени у Абу Даби. <br />Што се тиче старијих чланова кабинског особља, они ће највероватније бити послати у пензију. <br /><br />Надам се да ће особље које ради за Јат добити нове униформе.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-22350319627203583042013-04-08T19:44:31.007+02:002013-04-08T19:44:31.007+02:00Yes, VIE codeshare will definitely happen.
Air Be...Yes, VIE codeshare will definitely happen.<br /><br />Air Berlin could put its codeshare on JU's flights to/from DUS, FRA and TXL besides VIE. That way JU could put some of its codeshares on AB's flights ex DUS, FRA, TXL and VIE. Jat already sells some AB's destinations on their website.JU500https://www.blogger.com/profile/01855136215721390300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-70671434536706013692013-04-08T19:29:14.016+02:002013-04-08T19:29:14.016+02:00Of course... Who needs grandmas and grandpas as a ...Of course... Who needs grandmas and grandpas as a crew?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-37141400432045761562013-04-08T19:23:25.015+02:002013-04-08T19:23:25.015+02:00Prica se po JAT-u da ce, ako Etihad udje u JAT, os...Prica se po JAT-u da ce, ako Etihad udje u JAT, ostati samo 300 zaposlenih, uglavnom letacko osoblje, mladji piloti i stjuardese, a da svi zaposleni sa preko 55 godina starosti ne ocekuju da ce ostati u JAT-u. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-42763319448880489102013-04-08T18:22:50.391+02:002013-04-08T18:22:50.391+02:00From BEG to Pula,Split and Dubrovnik would make mo...From BEG to Pula,Split and Dubrovnik would make more sense to codeshare for Etihad !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com